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lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat toomey. graham is the only senator up for re-election in 2014. miguel rodriguez was there. vice president biden, not at the dinner. maybe this is the start of a new outreach. in his first term, mr. obama's outreach to republicans was sporadic at best and though the president bristles when that's pointed out -- >> i promise you, we invite folks from congress over here all the time. and when they choose to come, i enjoy their company. sometimes they don't choose to come, and that has to do with the fact that i think they don't consider the optics useful for them politically. >> the fact of the matter is the wh
lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat...
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lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the democratic and republican caucuses in both the house and the senate. joining me right now nia-malika henderson who covers all this. and former mayor willie brown. thank you for joining us. i want to talk about the appearance of this and the reality of this, which is more important? >> it is the appearance of it. for all reasons fall beyond anything we can ever fathom, this is the kind of thing that should have been done from the first day that the president was elected. he should have been able to develop a relationship with every person holding office one on one
lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the...
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although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings that the and failed, people are approaching it with a different attitude. at least some of the group that was a part of this last night. giving them all credit for sitting down, the president did make this happen. they went and attended. we heard from speaker boehner today about the ryan lunch saying he is not taking any message from me. the speaker thoroughly appreciates the fact that the president is talking to members, not just going through leadership. you know, we can make this a data point of bipart sfwlanship in what will be a long set of negotiations. >> we will take as many data points
although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings...
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. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with what politico is putting out as the headline. grand bargain back with a question mark. we look at what paul ryan said after lunch with the president, where i think hope is being borne from. everyone needs to be part of this conversation. we need an open debate about how best to balance the budget and expand opportunities. so, sir, outside of the lines of the continuing resolution coming out of the house side. what you month would you guesstimate that we mae get the grand bargain? >> the issue is not the grand bargain. the issue is what's in the grand bargain. when you have growing inequality, 100% of all new income genera
. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with...
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and those are going to be attending this dinner tonight have been invited by the president lindsey graham really made this guest list. these are republican who is are perceived as being open or at least willing to talk about compromise when it comes to the budget issues when it comes to averting the sequester. also it's important to open to compromise to things like immigration reform, gun control. those are some of the items that are going to be on the agenda. but certainly the budget, a grand bargain will be the main course at tonight's dinner when president obama sits down with those 12 republicans. but, of course, this is sort of a larger outreach than we have seen in the past. we expect it to continue in the coming days and weeks. martin. >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you. here in new york is josh barrow and professor james peterson. professor, the president challenging critics who call him aloof and disengaged reaching out to the opposing side offering what's expected to be a real plan of entitlement cuts and new revenues. could tonight be the start of something big? >
and those are going to be attending this dinner tonight have been invited by the president lindsey graham really made this guest list. these are republican who is are perceived as being open or at least willing to talk about compromise when it comes to the budget issues when it comes to averting the sequester. also it's important to open to compromise to things like immigration reform, gun control. those are some of the items that are going to be on the agenda. but certainly the budget, a grand...
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senators lindsey graham and john mccain slammed rand paul, calling it an ill-informed stand. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well, the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, former republican governor from maryland, and from the deputy editor and contributing writer for roll call, nathan gonzalez. governor, you want to go to you off the back, because this was fascinating with rand paul. >> one-day story. >> a fascinating divide, who would have thought that mitch mcconnell would run to the senate floor to bask in the flow of rand paul, and then lindsey graham and john mccain say sit down. what does this mean for 2016. could this libertarian wing -- >> i love the libertarian wing having a role in the party. i think it's very healthy. there may be something personal here. we don't know. this was a little strong by senator mccain. i don't know as far as any personal animosity. but at this point in the cycle, it's no big deal. it's a one-day story. but
senators lindsey graham and john mccain slammed rand paul, calling it an ill-informed stand. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well, the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, former republican governor from maryland, and from the deputy editor and contributing writer for roll call, nathan gonzalez. governor, you want to go to you off the back,...
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let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and those who are isolationists. whether it's patrick buchanan or rand paul and others, some of whom have raised fourth amendment issues when it comes to things domestically. and this -- we've just never had these guys get the platform the way rand paul has seized it. and i think it makes john mccain and lindsey graham quite nervous because rand paul is, indeed, appealing to some tea party types, libertarian types, noninterventionist conservatives, as well as the wacky black helicopter types who fueled the militia movement back in the '90s, and they want to try to keep him in check i think for
let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and...
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who they might be able to negotiate, including lindsey graham. let's listen to what senator graham had to say. >> he's calling people, this is how you solve hard problems. he's working the phones, talking about, you know, following up on that, and how can we get more people in the mix. so what i see from the president is incredibly encouraging. maybe because of sequestration and frustration with the public. the time is right to act and what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i've seen since the early years of his presidency. >> how long was your conversation? >> he wants to do the big deal. i think to get our democratic friends to move on entitlements, we're going to have to move on revenue by flattening the tax code, eliminating deductions, and preserving some of that money for the debt. i just think we know what to do, we know how to end this, what the big deal should be made of. >> jared, does that sound like a big opening to you, with lindsey graham, something of a breakthrough, when he says, w
who they might be able to negotiate, including lindsey graham. let's listen to what senator graham had to say. >> he's calling people, this is how you solve hard problems. he's working the phones, talking about, you know, following up on that, and how can we get more people in the mix. so what i see from the president is incredibly encouraging. maybe because of sequestration and frustration with the public. the time is right to act and what i see from the president is probably the most...
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>> he's got lindsey grahams digits. >> the president asked that i get together a group. >> 11 public senators. >> i was honored. >> you know lindsey graham is ready. >> in the coming days and weerks i'm going to continue reaching out. >> he's absolutely determined to get something done. >> the gop has been tagged the party of no. >> now you have speaker boehner saying -- >> the president got his tax hikes. he got his tax hikes. the president got his tax hikes. >> there is still incentive among a lot of republicans to not cooperate with this president. >> all they really need is a hug and a lunch. >> i wish he had done more of that over the years. >> president obama is not their mom. >> where this goes, i don't know. >> there is a caucus of common sense in the coming days and coming weeks. i'm going to keep on reaching out. >> i've been relatively fair to barack obama. >> he doesn't do anything. >> it's jack what you're saying. >> he's not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. now i'm really angry. >>> president obama has just finished a working dinner with 12 republican senators, the sta
>> he's got lindsey grahams digits. >> the president asked that i get together a group. >> 11 public senators. >> i was honored. >> you know lindsey graham is ready. >> in the coming days and weerks i'm going to continue reaching out. >> he's absolutely determined to get something done. >> the gop has been tagged the party of no. >> now you have speaker boehner saying -- >> the president got his tax hikes. he got his tax hikes. the...
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now we have lindsey graham talking about the phone calls. susan collins, the phone call she received, and now this big dinner with these republican senators tonight. >> listen, it never ceases to amaze me how thin-skinned how members of congress are. you don't get elected to come down and socialize with the president. you get elected to come down and do the right thing for the constituents and the country. the idea that members of congress are making decisions based on the fact that they haven't gotten a phone call from the president or haven't gotten to hang out with hem at the without movie theater, that's ridiculous. frankly, whether the president is um here hobnobbing with congress or not, we should do the right thing for our constituents and the country. i don't buy this. i think this is republicans making excuses for why they're not sitting down and cooperating with the president. >> oddly enough you bring up the movie theater things, republicans were invited to view "lincoln" and nobody showed up. hopefully this will go well tonight.
now we have lindsey graham talking about the phone calls. susan collins, the phone call she received, and now this big dinner with these republican senators tonight. >> listen, it never ceases to amaze me how thin-skinned how members of congress are. you don't get elected to come down and socialize with the president. you get elected to come down and do the right thing for the constituents and the country. the idea that members of congress are making decisions based on the fact that they...
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meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his words getting the frogs in the wheelbarrow. but this week i think exposed some serious changes, if not a rift within the elder wing -- the elder sort of establishment wing of the republican party in the upper chamber. not just on sequester but with the rand paul talky filibuster. >> i was pleased see that picture because normally there's a democrat standing there getting a scowl. >> i've been on elevators like that myself. you know, i think that, you know, i appreciate what senator mccain and senator graham were trying to say. under no circumstances are americans at home in danger of gett
meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his...
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gop senators including roy blunt, tom coburn, susan collins, bob porker, lindsey graham, and rob portman. he'll also dine tonight with 11 republican senators at the jefferson hotel and will travel to capitol hill next week to meet with caucuses in both the house and the senate. so far, the good will is being reciprocated. according to senator lindsey graham, what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue since the early days of his presidency. senator majority leader mitch mcconnell is all for daytont. >> frankly, i wish he'd done more of that over the years. we've had, all of us, very limited interaction with the president. he's certainly doesn't have to go through me to call on my members, and i'm sure he will, and i encourage him to do so. >> of course, necessity is usually the grandmother of change. despite several weeks of bully pulpit pressure, even the president acknowledged that his hands are tied unless congress decides to cooperate. >> this idea that somehow there's a secret formula or secret sauce to get speaker boehner or mitch mcconn
gop senators including roy blunt, tom coburn, susan collins, bob porker, lindsey graham, and rob portman. he'll also dine tonight with 11 republican senators at the jefferson hotel and will travel to capitol hill next week to meet with caucuses in both the house and the senate. so far, the good will is being reciprocated. according to senator lindsey graham, what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue since the early days of his presidency. senator...
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this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is something that we want, but when we hear senator mccain mentioning the u.s. citizen that was killed in 2011, there was an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" "wall street journal" talking about what it means to be an enemy combatant. he was considered to be an enemy combatant, but in yemen. can a drone be used here if an enemy combatant is on american soil here. how will the conversation go? >> i think these are fundamental questions that have not been debated in the united states when it comes to applies the drone policy overseas. this is part of the criticism that many have against the united states
this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is...
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that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the solution? >> if the depresses demand too much -- chris: it's not doing that apparently. >> if it doesn't, i'm all for it. >> there's a possibility to adjust among different budget counts talking to people who run our military services, talking to people in the intelligence community, they do have real problems and they're not going to be able to watch a spy satellite. they're having trouble juggling ship positions. chris: my question goes back to you, is there incentive enough for both parties to give, real gliv until it hurts? the fact the republicans ha
that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the...
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john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of abortion and to the extent to embrace that, i don't think that's a positive development to the party. >> that's mane striming it. >> graham is promoting a fear of the american government, especially the obama-led, fear of american government and hear a lot from the savages and these people. that's just not -- >> then let -- if the fear is out there, let the administration address it and holder started to do that today. that's a positive letter. >> all right. >>> while they were all talk, the president and other republicans were fine dinin
john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of...
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i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and time again. the president knows that. those folks in the white house know that. john boehner can't get a deal done because he doesn't have the support of his caucus. so let's go to the members of that caucus who could potentially put a deal together. there's no other option. this is the way it has to be done. and i think it's very smart what he's doing. >> michael steele, do you have an incisive analytical comment to make disguised as a question? >> no. look, i picked myself up off the floor after reading gene's piece this morning. you know, gene, brot
i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and...
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area hotel and will include john mccain, lindsey graham and others. the president will go have lunch with mitch mcconnell. >> i expect the president to talk to various members. i wish he had done more than that over the years. all of us very limited interaction with the president and he is certainly doesn't have to go through me to recall my members. >> democratic congresswoman maxine waters from california, the top-ranking democrat. thank you for your time. i top the get your reaction to rand paul and the filibuster we are watching play out there. >> obstructionists. i know that this kind of trying to stop the president from having the people that he would like to carry out the various jobs and these agencies is absolutely li dickulous. this director is very much needed. for him to commit himself to filibustering for as long as it takes is a kind of destructive action that needs to stop in the congress of the united states of america. >> moving forward to the president having dinner tonight, weather permitting as we understand, what do you make of th
area hotel and will include john mccain, lindsey graham and others. the president will go have lunch with mitch mcconnell. >> i expect the president to talk to various members. i wish he had done more than that over the years. all of us very limited interaction with the president and he is certainly doesn't have to go through me to recall my members. >> democratic congresswoman maxine waters from california, the top-ranking democrat. thank you for your time. i top the get your...
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you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative, old pat buchanan breed, of people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he was driving at i think is, look, i personally, like a lot of democrats i guess, i have confidence -- i know that president obama thinks about the use of drones and i know that he and -- i have confidence in him -- >> suppose cheney were president right now. >> exactly. >> right now. >> he's only going to be president for another 3 1/2 years. others are going to follow, and unless we kind of think about what sort of limits, if any, we want to put -- >> you remember cheney's speech about the shadowlands and the gray areas of the world and the hallways and the back hauls. >> exactly. >> he talks like that.
you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative, old pat buchanan breed, of people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he...
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i think when you see john mccain and lindsey graham basically affirming the obama administration's position on drones, what it tells me is there's very little question in my mind that what happened yesterday was a very -- which he has been as open as anyone. i'm less convinced this was a great thing for the republican party, more broadly. you know, i think it gets them on questionable ground on an issue in terms of public opinion and an issue that the vast majority of the public isn't interested in. definitely a big moment for rand paul, and where mccain and grah graham. >> against president obama -- kristen welker. rand paul has not given in yet on the 30 hours of debate. it could be saturday morning unless he is pressured to give in. >> underscoring the point. they did write a letter to rand paul answering what seems to be his xheef concern, which is -- >> it's possible that is holding that process up. -- they have last night with republican lawmakers, and they say that the timing is important, andrea, because it came at a time when there's not a countdown clock running. so, in essence, t
i think when you see john mccain and lindsey graham basically affirming the obama administration's position on drones, what it tells me is there's very little question in my mind that what happened yesterday was a very -- which he has been as open as anyone. i'm less convinced this was a great thing for the republican party, more broadly. you know, i think it gets them on questionable ground on an issue in terms of public opinion and an issue that the vast majority of the public isn't...
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on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a problem that does not exist, a wild hypothetical that has not happened, perhaps never will happen. part of the gop's program of like real solutions for fake problems. americans in restaurants can rest assured that they will not be droned. >> i hope jane fonda knows that. >> especially if they're not combatants against america. so they can be comfortable tonight and into the future. but like rand paul 2016 is actually looking better. is he going to win the nomination? probably not. is he going to be president? certainly not. but he can be a player in 2016 and doing that thing we've seen in the primaries where you
on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a...
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so did his pal lindsey graham. but john mccain starts walling them wacko and wacko birds. the people that were around rand paul around that. mike leigh, ted cruz. is there a change now? is john mccain too far out there and this is the new group that's going to run the senate and the gop? >> i don't know. i like rand paul. he's a very intelligent guy. he made some good points. but he does look -- i hate to say, he can look a little nutty. and anytime anybody talks for 12 hours you're going to look nutty. and it's the old guard who have been ineffective. they've lost the white house. listening to them for the last couple of elections. there's this new guard who i don't think has really accomplished much of anything. you get the middle guard. the middle guard are guys like chris christie. governors, mcdonnell in virginia. governors who have really accomplished things. and those are who we should be listening to. those should be the models for the gop. >> blake, let me ask you the same question. want to add some important names. around rand paul directly that night was mike le
so did his pal lindsey graham. but john mccain starts walling them wacko and wacko birds. the people that were around rand paul around that. mike leigh, ted cruz. is there a change now? is john mccain too far out there and this is the new group that's going to run the senate and the gop? >> i don't know. i like rand paul. he's a very intelligent guy. he made some good points. but he does look -- i hate to say, he can look a little nutty. and anytime anybody talks for 12 hours you're going...
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now, lindsey graham said i fully support the administration's opinion on drones overseas and suppose we had patriot missiles available, a military solution on 9/11, we would have taken those planes out, yes, we would have lost the lives on the plane, but saved the lives in the building. sometimes you can't rule out the military, even in the u.s., and he and holder agree on that. as i say, no member of the judiciary committee today where he was testifying completely said no, we shouldn't use drones in the u.s. against an american citizen. >> there's some people holding up signs protesting drones, there's a contingent of people that believe it immoral, yet in every public poll, this is the rare thing which partisans tend to agree, 60%, 70% support the use of drones to get suspected terrorists. how much do the politics of this play in, pete, that politicians are well aware that this is a policy that is wildly popular in the country. in terms of developing strictures and further rules and asking for more information? >> i think that may be part of it, but this is something that doesn't g
now, lindsey graham said i fully support the administration's opinion on drones overseas and suppose we had patriot missiles available, a military solution on 9/11, we would have taken those planes out, yes, we would have lost the lives on the plane, but saved the lives in the building. sometimes you can't rule out the military, even in the u.s., and he and holder agree on that. as i say, no member of the judiciary committee today where he was testifying completely said no, we shouldn't use...
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graham appeared to give wriggle room with revenue or reform to the tax code. >> he did. and then speaker boehner does the opposite and so the challenge here is, who are you negotiating with? i think part of the smart strategy in terms of the white house and what they're doing is, listen, if we can't negotiate with the leadership and it's clearly not been very productive, let's try to negotiate with the rank and file members and see where there's common ground and then build momentum from the bottom up on the leaders. >> april, real quick. i want to read what john dickerson of "slate" and saying early in his first term, he, meaning the president, reached out to senators grassley, snowe, collins and specter in the negotiations and tried a back room deal to secure the support of nebraska senator ben nelson. while obama may not be very good at trying to work congress, he may only have done it in fits and starts but you can't say he hasn't tried. so that's the focus of trying with republicans. has he done the same with democrats, april? >> democrats are saying that they are n
graham appeared to give wriggle room with revenue or reform to the tax code. >> he did. and then speaker boehner does the opposite and so the challenge here is, who are you negotiating with? i think part of the smart strategy in terms of the white house and what they're doing is, listen, if we can't negotiate with the leadership and it's clearly not been very productive, let's try to negotiate with the rank and file members and see where there's common ground and then build momentum from...
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the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years. >> i think it is a good thing in taking that revenue and putting it and not using it to combat the deficit. >> it sounds like they are saying let's use some of it for deficit reduction. >> that is tiny. >> i guess it is. to me, it seems like the line has been in the last month. it was the line before the revenues got passed. we can't talk about any tax some every time that is invoked in the context of revenue, i will only discuss it in the context of opening up the tax code of being litigated and legislated in which case nothing is going to done. >> if they can figure out a way around it, the bush tax cuts were a lowering taxes because they doubled them on january 1st. if there was a way to make them about combatting the deficit and saying this is a tax hike, i feel like they could be baited into a tax hike. if it is plausible to get more revenue it is going to have to be in the context of call
the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years. >> i think it is a good thing in taking that revenue and putting it and not using it to combat the deficit. >> it sounds like they are saying let's use some of it for deficit reduction. >> that is tiny. >> i guess it is. to me, it seems like the line has been in the last month. it was the line before the...
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john mccain, lindsey graham and suzanne collins. you only get to filibuster in extraordinary circumstances. and the three remaining parties to that deal in the senate this week, all voted to filibuster. caitlin halligan, saying extraordinary circumstances. >> do not get me started. because this deal that was entered into by republicans and democrats enabled republican nominees to be sent to the d.c. circuit. and we now have the situation where we've got the d.c. circuit in the hands of republican-pointed judges. this is important because we see -- >> after five years of a democratic -- >> yeah. >> we see invalidated air pollution rules. invalidated warning labels on cigarette packages, invalidated s.e.c. labels. republicans know that their judges on the d.c. circuit are going to do their bidding. it's plain and simple. and therefore, they are going to block any candidate to the d.c. circuit. it's a matter of maintaining -- >> so why are they winning? why do they win? why do they get more? >> because democrats are undisciplined. seri
john mccain, lindsey graham and suzanne collins. you only get to filibuster in extraordinary circumstances. and the three remaining parties to that deal in the senate this week, all voted to filibuster. caitlin halligan, saying extraordinary circumstances. >> do not get me started. because this deal that was entered into by republicans and democrats enabled republican nominees to be sent to the d.c. circuit. and we now have the situation where we've got the d.c. circuit in the hands of...
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graham, are putting down rand paul because he isn't one of them and he dared to question the use of u.s. military power in this case against individual citizens. where are you, a man of the left, on this one? >> well, on the subject of drones, and this is a very interesting thing to watch this divide among the republicans whereas you say the establishment, which is reflexively pro-military on the republican side, is running up against the new tea party republicans who aren't so reflexively pro-military who are ideologically libertarian and see threats to civil liberties where some progressive lefties might also. i, too, am troubled like rand paul -- like a stopped clock occasionally he's right, and on the use of drones -- >> i used that phrase yesterday. did you watch last night because i said a broken clock is right twice a day. >> i didn't see that. great minds think alike. >> it's yours, too. let me go to cynthia -- if you want to finish that thought, go ahead. rand paul can be pretty wacky. he's talking about the united states government hitting somebody in a cafe. i imagine a c
graham, are putting down rand paul because he isn't one of them and he dared to question the use of u.s. military power in this case against individual citizens. where are you, a man of the left, on this one? >> well, on the subject of drones, and this is a very interesting thing to watch this divide among the republicans whereas you say the establishment, which is reflexively pro-military on the republican side, is running up against the new tea party republicans who aren't so...
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. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numbers are important but the policy is an important as well. yeah, we want to do that.
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you saw him have john mccain and lindsey graham in for a private conversation this week. to me that was a very good sign. it's very important that they keep talking to each other and maybe on some issues like immigration they can make some progress. >> and, eugene, politically speaking the white house already starting to lay plans for what's going to happen in 2014. they need 17 seats to take control. that's a tall order. it would have to be clinton-like in terms of its achievement. >> it's a very tall order, particularly after redistricting has made a lot of safe districts for the republican majority. it's very difficult to draw a map and look at it and see how they pick up those 17 seats. then again, we're getting used to some pretty big swings in the house. >> no doubt. >> and not all anticipated. >> thank you. >> it happens. >> thank you. >> thank you, gene robinson. thank you, jonathan alter. >>> up next, it's happened yet again, the right wing falls for another story without checking into whether it's true. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> late today
you saw him have john mccain and lindsey graham in for a private conversation this week. to me that was a very good sign. it's very important that they keep talking to each other and maybe on some issues like immigration they can make some progress. >> and, eugene, politically speaking the white house already starting to lay plans for what's going to happen in 2014. they need 17 seats to take control. that's a tall order. it would have to be clinton-like in terms of its achievement....
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graham of south carolina said he's open to that. take a listen. >> to me this is a bipartisan problem. this is the chance to do the big deal. i'm willing to raise revenue. i'm willing to raise $600 billion in new revenue if my democratic friends would be willing to reform entitlements and we can fix sequestration together. >> why not go for the big deal at this point? you mentioned the president's position earlier. his position always was $2 or $3 in spending cuts for every dollar in revenue. right now you're going at a rate of $4 in spending cuts for every dollar in new revenue. are you prepared to sit down and talk about a much bigger deal? >> well, george, what the president is now -- what he pushed recently in the senate this week, the 85 billion small deal with tax increases, that's not going to work. if we're going to increase revenue again, it's got to go to the debt with real entitlement reform and real tax reform when you actually lower rates, and i thinkg that none of that has been in this discussion, so absolutely i think
graham of south carolina said he's open to that. take a listen. >> to me this is a bipartisan problem. this is the chance to do the big deal. i'm willing to raise revenue. i'm willing to raise $600 billion in new revenue if my democratic friends would be willing to reform entitlements and we can fix sequestration together. >> why not go for the big deal at this point? you mentioned the president's position earlier. his position always was $2 or $3 in spending cuts for every dollar...
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now, you see today that republicans like lindsey graham and john mccain are making rand paul pay the price for what happened. >> megyn: they are not happy at all. they think his behavior was offensive and insulting and raising an issue they don't think is a real one and demeans the presidency by suggesting that he would at random kill americans sitting in a cafe. >> and i might submit that that's the reason rand paul was where he was last night and why senator graham was where he was last night dining with the president. you don't get access, don't get influence, don't get to be part of the discussion behind closed doors in washington d.c. making a stink, being the skunk at the garden party, like rand paul did. however, rand paul can count this on his side. the american people didn't like washington and didn't like cut out of the process that this new brand of populous libertarian style of populace in the republican party may have currency and may make him a contending for 2016. >> megyn: you look out the window behind you and literally we're expecting to see the pigs fly. what he di
now, you see today that republicans like lindsey graham and john mccain are making rand paul pay the price for what happened. >> megyn: they are not happy at all. they think his behavior was offensive and insulting and raising an issue they don't think is a real one and demeans the presidency by suggesting that he would at random kill americans sitting in a cafe. >> and i might submit that that's the reason rand paul was where he was last night and why senator graham was where he...
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in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is msnbc, the place for politics. max and penny kept our bookstore exciting and would always come to my rescue. but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula. i just fed the recommended amount... and they both loved the taste. after a few months max's "special powers" returned... and i got my hero back. purina cat chow healthy weight. for the things you can't wash, freshen them with febreze. ♪ because febreze doesn't just cover up odors... it penetrates deep in
in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is...
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senator lindsey graham among them. >> we believe firmly that gitmo, there is no substitute for it, that congress will agree upon, that it is the right place to put an enemy combatant for interrogation and at all possible trial. >> we're going to talk about a little of the politics of that a little later. first, suleman abugathe. tim lister here, executive editor. he wasn't an operations guy, but clearly he was well connected. a son-in-law of bin laden. here he is side by side with him. how did we get our hands on him? >> like an episode out of "homeland". he was skulking around in iran for ten years. got there in 2002. he seems to be very restless. at some point the iranians pushed him or he decided to go. he crosses the border into turkey on a forged saudi passport. the turks horrified, this is the last thing they want. he's in turbish custody for four weeks. the cia alerted the turks he was staying at this luxury hotel in ankara. >> luxury hotel. >> they put him on a plane to kuwait, his land of birth, but the plane stops in jordan and the jordanians, close to the cia, hand him over.
senator lindsey graham among them. >> we believe firmly that gitmo, there is no substitute for it, that congress will agree upon, that it is the right place to put an enemy combatant for interrogation and at all possible trial. >> we're going to talk about a little of the politics of that a little later. first, suleman abugathe. tim lister here, executive editor. he wasn't an operations guy, but clearly he was well connected. a son-in-law of bin laden. here he is side by side with...
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however -- >> brian: lindsey graham and mccain, get there and say, listen, let's start again. let's just start fresh. what do you need? >> steve: should we bet a dollar right now? >> brian: dollar on the line. >> steve: right there. >> gretchen: wait, what are we bit bething on? >> steve: bipartisanship breaks out. >> gretchen: really? that's worth manner a buck to me. >> steve: because the dozen senators he's inviting over have a history of being bipartisan because the president needs to get stuff done. anyway, more on that later on of the we've got breaking news. tv icon, valerie harper, facing a devastating diagnosis. she just revealed she has terminal brain cancer. harper best known for her 1970s role as rhoda on "the mary tyler move" show and her on show" rhoda." she told people magazine she found out about the cancer in january. doctors say she could have as little as three months to live. she previously battled lung cancer in the year of 2009. she's been on this program a number of times. she is a wonderful person. >> gretchen: very sad news. a democrat in colorado lect
however -- >> brian: lindsey graham and mccain, get there and say, listen, let's start again. let's just start fresh. what do you need? >> steve: should we bet a dollar right now? >> brian: dollar on the line. >> steve: right there. >> gretchen: wait, what are we bit bething on? >> steve: bipartisanship breaks out. >> gretchen: really? that's worth manner a buck to me. >> steve: because the dozen senators he's inviting over have a history of being...
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graham pushing back against rand paul and ted cruz, and the new guard. women tend to negotiate those things a little bit more diplomatically, not less forcefully but more diplomatically. jenna: you say the women have the ability, specifically the conservative women you mention to reflect and express the message of the g.o.p. better over the next couple of years, or maybe to the advantage of the g.o.p. over the next couple of years. still let's go back to the message. do you think the g.o.p. message, the conservative message in this country is u know, put in the right form? is it actually out there in the right way to be kpwupbd, whoever is the one to communicate it? >> not right now. this is something that really needs a lot of work and maybe women can lead the charge on this. conservatives tend to argue in facts and facts tending to cold. when we talk about the deficit or debtor tax rates all of what we're saying as a conservative, i believe is accurate, but it tends not to resonate because it's not cast in more emotional terms. of i think what conserva
graham pushing back against rand paul and ted cruz, and the new guard. women tend to negotiate those things a little bit more diplomatically, not less forcefully but more diplomatically. jenna: you say the women have the ability, specifically the conservative women you mention to reflect and express the message of the g.o.p. better over the next couple of years, or maybe to the advantage of the g.o.p. over the next couple of years. still let's go back to the message. do you think the g.o.p....
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particularly also want to thank both senator lindsey graham and senator mccain for coordinating the meeting. good. very candid discussion. and the discussion included not only sequester, the budget, but really where we focused is how do we bring people together in a bipartisan way to address the debt and deficit. and that means tax reform and that means entitlement reform the way we preserve social security and medicare but truly addresses the debt and deficit. >> so forgive rand paul if he doesn't have much to say today. did he a lot of talking yesterday. nearly 13 hours worth. >> i rise today to begin to filibuster john brennan's nomination for the cia. i will speak until i can no longer speak. i will speak as long as it takes. >> and speak he did. from 11:47 wednesday morning until well past midnight. the senator's attack focused squarely on the president's drone program and its use on on american citizens overseas and possibly here on u.s. soil. paul alone. he got help. a couple fellow senators took over for a brief time asking questions or reading tweets. but it was a tea party senator
particularly also want to thank both senator lindsey graham and senator mccain for coordinating the meeting. good. very candid discussion. and the discussion included not only sequester, the budget, but really where we focused is how do we bring people together in a bipartisan way to address the debt and deficit. and that means tax reform and that means entitlement reform the way we preserve social security and medicare but truly addresses the debt and deficit. >> so forgive rand paul if...
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. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he's very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who belonged in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. listen to senator graham. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes? i have been firm against torture but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure military facility that provides this country a great asset and we've received a lot of information from guantanamo bay detainees. >> as you remember, the uproar a few years ago when they were thinking of sending sheikh mohammed to be tried before a civil court in new york. that eventually was reversed. what do you think about the pros and cons legally speaking? >> well, it is true that there is a major difference between the two in terms of interrogation. in a criminal court where he is now, he will receive a lawyer who will undoubted he will say, stop talking to prosecutors.
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well, senator lindsey graham who is working to craft legislation on the issue said the proposal outlined in mr. bush's book, quote, undercuts what we're trying to do. but governor bush seemed to change his stance somewhat during a series of recent interviews prompting tough criticism from senate majority leader harry reid. >> let's wait for a few minutes and see how jeb bush changes his mind again. his opinion on immigration is not evolving. it's devolving. he keeps going backwards. i think he's frankly made a fool of himself the last 24 hours. frankly, on this issue, i don't think jeb bush is a florida leader. i think marco rubio is. bush has been elected to nothing lately. rubio is the leader on immigration. >> okay. joe, a new poll by latino decisions shows immigration reform is by far the most important issue for hispanic voters. that's by the economy and jobs, education and health care. >> john heilemann, let's talk, john heilemann, about your next book. bush -- "game change 2016." i think this may have to be the opening scene of jeb getting out of a cab in the middle of the dark, y
well, senator lindsey graham who is working to craft legislation on the issue said the proposal outlined in mr. bush's book, quote, undercuts what we're trying to do. but governor bush seemed to change his stance somewhat during a series of recent interviews prompting tough criticism from senate majority leader harry reid. >> let's wait for a few minutes and see how jeb bush changes his mind again. his opinion on immigration is not evolving. it's devolving. he keeps going backwards. i...
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we have many of my uncle's former colleagues senator chris dodd lindsey graham olympia snowe and thad cochran as well as members of congress and active people elaine jones, we have a good group of lawyers and non-lawyers. >> i'm dieing. who won? >> this year -- we're going to announce it? >> yeah. >> we had our big discussion this week and it's gabrielle giffords. >> what a choice. >> why her? >> i think one of the things that obviously everybody knows of her tremendous incredible courage. the fact she went through this obviously horrendous tragedy and has recommitted herself to the political process i think is something that is really inspiring. obviously for anybody in public life who is willing to do that because it is tough these days. i think for people just in their own lives to see that kind of courage in somebody who is just willing to persevere and keep fighting no matter what happens. >> the people who have been nominated, do they know they irp in the running or do you call them and they pick up the phone and it's you on the other end of the line. >> i had such a wonderful c
we have many of my uncle's former colleagues senator chris dodd lindsey graham olympia snowe and thad cochran as well as members of congress and active people elaine jones, we have a good group of lawyers and non-lawyers. >> i'm dieing. who won? >> this year -- we're going to announce it? >> yeah. >> we had our big discussion this week and it's gabrielle giffords. >> what a choice. >> why her? >> i think one of the things that obviously everybody knows...
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. >> some people, senator lindsey graham, for instance, is saying we can still get a grand bargain. he wants the president and the speaker to go back to where they were back in 2011 and pick that up and deal with entitlements and perhaps more revenues because of closing loopholes. should your party come to the table on the issue of increased revenues? >> you know, i think it's a little hard to imagine after january where the highest -- the biggest tax increase in american history took place and then go back to say we have a revenue problem. i think the focus -- >> no wiggle room there at all? >> there may be. if the president's sincere about dealing with our structural problems. but the thing that we could all agree on is how do we create high sustained economic growth for starters, and how can we get back to a degree of normalcy where, like, budgets are passed? i'm not talking about ten-year estimations, but going to the new normal being the house and the senate pass a budget and there's a compromise and the president signs it into law. >> this all gets to the dynamic in washington
. >> some people, senator lindsey graham, for instance, is saying we can still get a grand bargain. he wants the president and the speaker to go back to where they were back in 2011 and pick that up and deal with entitlements and perhaps more revenues because of closing loopholes. should your party come to the table on the issue of increased revenues? >> you know, i think it's a little hard to imagine after january where the highest -- the biggest tax increase in american history...